Another test for fun

Positive 0.1 Offset:

Negative 0.1 Offset:

Kind of cool to see how the circular arcs erode into the shapes; this should enable some fun morphological operations like closing and opening.

Thanks for kicking the idea off, Emmett!

Dimple Measurement

Before:


After:

It seems like the floater triangles have gotten worse though; let's try switching that part back to the warp based implementation...

EDIT: Yep, switching back to the triangle warping implementation for the triangle extrusion fixed the floaters... so weird. I guess Quickhull is reducing the precision somehow...

Hrm, I’ll need to make it so the circular arcs have a variable number of segments based on the angle they subtend.

Maybe specify as “degrees per segment”.

Alrighty, I have circularSegments matching the behavior of the original PR; the topology looks just as flawless as the original on edges going in cardinal directions, and the topology isn't quite as clean for tilted edges, but it does completely eliminate the dimpling that arose.

I’d expect to get perfect topology at these corners by projecting the wedges to spherical coordinates, doing a dense delaunay triangulation (with poisson samples points in the polygon?), and projecting back to Cartesian coordinates… but this topology should do for now.

Alternatively, the topology looks a lot better when the circularArc resolution is a lot higher than the sphere resolution (as it does in the comparison shots before this comment); not sure what to make of that…

Hmm, a few back and forths with the Offset seem to cause all kinds of havoc, with convex/concave edges sneaking into the mix:

    sphere = manifold3d.Manifold.sphere(0.6, 20)
    cube   = manifold3d.Manifold.cube  (1.0, 1.0, 1.0, True)
    fun_shape = cube - cube.translate(0.5, 0.5, 0.5)

    t0 = perf_counter()
    general_offset = fun_shape     .offset(-0.1, 25)
    general_offset = general_offset.offset( 0.1, 25)
    general_offset = general_offset.offset(-0.1, 25)
    general_offset = general_offset.offset( 0.1, 25)
    save_mesh(general_offset, "elegant_offset", "stl")
    print("Elegant Offset took", (perf_counter()-t0)*1000, "ms")

Elegant Offset took 39279.40459999809 ms

Yikes 😅 Let's see how the Minkowski Sum Offset does...

Ahhh, it seems like there are more elegant equivalent versions of the morphological opening/closing combo:

    general_offset = fun_shape     .offset(-0.1, 25)
    general_offset = general_offset.offset( 0.2, 25)
    general_offset = general_offset.offset(-0.1, 25)

Elegant Offset took 1735.422899997502 ms

    general_offset = fun_shape     .offset( 0.1, 25)
    general_offset = general_offset.offset(-0.2, 25)
    general_offset = general_offset.offset( 0.1, 25)

Elegant Offset took 2998.640499994508 ms

Minkowski Sum in the same order of dilations/erosions as above:

    small_sphere  : manifold3d.Manifold = manifold3d.Manifold.sphere(0.1, 25)
    small_sphere2 : manifold3d.Manifold = manifold3d.Manifold.sphere(0.2, 25)
    general_offset = fun_shape     .minkowski_difference(small_sphere)
    general_offset = general_offset.minkowski_sum       (small_sphere2)
    general_offset = general_offset.minkowski_difference(small_sphere)

Failed to solve horizon edge.
Minkowski Sum took 3728.7071000027936 ms

    small_sphere  : manifold3d.Manifold = manifold3d.Manifold.sphere(0.1, 25)
    small_sphere2 : manifold3d.Manifold = manifold3d.Manifold.sphere(0.2, 25)
    general_offset = fun_shape     .minkowski_sum       (small_sphere)
    general_offset = general_offset.minkowski_difference(small_sphere2)
    general_offset = general_offset.minkowski_sum       (small_sphere)

Minkowski Sum took 2060.8917999998084 ms

Seems like you always want to sandwich your erosions between dilations, whether you're using the offset or the minkowski sum 😄

The minkowski sum also doesn't give any floating geometry, which is nice :-)

@elalish You might find the above explorations entertaining; it seems like the Minkowski Offsetting method is more robust for layered morphological operations at the moment.

Also worth noting: the Minkowski Offset doesn't experience any degradation when the shape rotates, but the topology of the borders around the interior spherecaps become a little crunchy.

(But the surface normals appears to be fine, so it's a method without drawbacks, save for speed.)

Yeah, I think you've convinced me on the Minkowski. I'm guessing we can abandon this and #668?

Yeah, I think you've convinced me on the Minkowski. I'm guessing we can abandon this and #668?

I’m kind of hopeful that there’s a version of the spherical case that is more robust… iirc it’s over twice as fast as the Minkowski case, and increasing the resolution is a lot cheaper, especially if I can figure out an elegant way to do interpolating spherecaps.

The primary issue for layered morphology is taking care of the corrupting precision issues, which might come for free in the PR that switches everything to doubles? Or maybe allowing vertices to merge after being extruded longer distances somehow?

I suppose the poor man’s vertex merge is quantizing the vertex positions as keys, storing them in an unordered map, and snapping the warp and circular arc positions to them at every step, ensuring that the vertices are coincident before the hulls and booleans.

That, and maybe loosening the tolerance on determining convex edges 🤔

But I probably won’t get to it before the new year; stepping away from my computer for a week starting tomorrow. 🫠

I suppose the poor man’s vertex merge is quantizing the vertex positions as keys, storing them in an unordered map, and snapping the warp and circular arc positions to them at every step

OpenSCAD does this for their VBO preview, and the performance is... not very good. openscad/openscad#4883

btw I noticed the quickhull module often print Failed to solve horizon edge., wonder if there is a way to fix it or silent it if it is not that important.

https://github.com/akuukka/quickhull/blob/9f81d1ec984a13e3596d02f61c6523e5f2971e82/QuickHull.cpp#L185

OpenSCAD does this for their VBO preview, and the performance is... not very good. openscad/openscad#4883

The even poorer man’s version is to just quantize the vertices and not preserve any exactness 🫠
I suspect limiting the vertex precision of morphological operations will come with other unintended stability improvements. Sort of like how layering morphology in pixel/voxel space can be done indefinitely without instability.

btw I noticed the quickhull module often print Failed to solve horizon edge., wonder if there is a way to fix it or silent it if it is not that important.

double all the things 🔥 🤩 🔥
(It’s sad for all of my Hull-based operations, but I don’t think it’s super important if we do end up quantizing vertices.)
Actually, it should either push the vertex to the end of the list to see if it can be solved later, or it should pop vertices from the existing horizon and push them to the end to see if they can be solved later.

I’m just not totally sure if it’s the source of my headaches, since I don’t see it that often 😅

I tried implementing the naive minkowski on openscad, and do get them frequently (a few times per model in the benchmarks) iirc. I thought it is already using double? not sure about that.

Huh; hadn’t realized OpenSCAD used the same library; I bet it comes from those really crunchy sections where the number of triangles just blows up.

For the particular situation in this thread, I think it’s possible to do the “fillet all edges by radius” operation in one pass without introducing any crunchiness; maybe that’s the 50%-case operation that people actually want from minkowski() and offset()?

I’d have to look at it after Christmas (maybe New Years?) if it is something people want 😅

The key is that Circumcenter code from the Voronoi PR, which will find where to center the exterior circular arcs and spheres to acquire the desired radii 💪

EDIT:
Ah wait, those 2-concave, 1-convex corners are a torus shape; might be a little tricky, especially as the number of edges going into those corners increases. Alright; I’ll let minkowski handle this.

no, I mean when they use manifold and manifold calls quickhull. They use CGAL hull in general..

To be clear, switching to double will in no way increase robustness or clean up topology. It has exactly the same floating point rounding error problems - the reason to switch is simply to get more precise results (think rivets on a ship).

And quantizing verts to merge them is also a great way to destroy manifoldness - this is exactly why the STL file format can't reliably transmit a manifold. Turns out it just creates even more heinous topology that is nearly impossible to correct in general.

The fact that this special sphere minkowski only gets maybe a 2x speed up tells me its not worth pursuing. If it was 10x, sure, but for the code maintenance burden, I think regular Minkowski is fine. I might make an offset API for convenience though.

Thinking about it, there’s probably a market for Offsetting algorithms that don’t increase the number of faces (ala the normal calculation routine in the image here):
#192 (comment)

Calculating average vertex normals first, and then using the Triangle Warp Union on a bunch of extruded vertex triangle faces would handle self-intersections, be fast, and sometimes even be the desired behavior (like when wanting to make a box hollow, preserving sharp edges).

Vertex Normal Extrusion/Dilation is done all the time in video games, but not in a Manifold-preserving way 😄

EDIT:
I could also see it as a new kind of warp function that operates on vertices rather than faces. The vertex transformation can be arbitrary as long as the final union/subtraction/intersection is with coincident triangles…

Probably best to define extrusion amount, resolution (where 0 is a per-vertex extrusion), and Boolean Operation (Union, Subtraction, Intersection)…

Our Warp function does operate on vertices, not faces, and agreed, it's great for lots of things! Pushing verts along their psuedo-normals is certainly a thing you can do, but it's not an offset, and it will often create self-intersections. Probably best left in user space.

Ah, I was confused about warp 😅

Just pushed a first-draft (broken) per-vertex-offset implementation:
zalo@721dc5c?w=1
It's worth noting is that it's still creating new per-triangle manifolds and BatchBooleaning them (so there won't be self-intersection issues).

My expectation (as a user) would be that it does something like this when the circularSegments is set to 0 or -1 (as that signifies that no rounding should take place). Ideally, this would output Manifolds with the same number of vertices as the inputs (except for self-intersections).

I'm going to go ahead and close this and #668 in favor of #666 for now. I'm not super interested in having a bunch of different offsetting algorithms in Manifold - those can live externally. What would be much more useful if you're up for it, is finding minimal test cases for the bugs we discovered in #666 and #668. Those are important cases to fix for the Boolean, but it's going to incredibly hard for me to debug as it stands. Ideally we want just one Boolean op with just a few faces to repro the problem if possible.

Alrighty; I'll see if I can make a minimal case. 👍